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The militarisation of civil service
. I am shocked at the recent developments taking place in Botswana’s civil service.
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![]() written by Wise Man, November 20, 2008
DISCIPLINE×DISCIPLINE×DISCIPLINE× DISCIPLINE( to the power infinity!!). If my mathematics is still good, i guess this is the number of times the word disciple have been used by the government alone since April 1, 2008. Check all the newspapers tsa beke e fela and see how many articles have been written ka discipline! If you have time u can even count how many times the word appear in each (including discipline 2u rre moatlhodi!). Every1 is of course unsettled by the use of this word, ke setse e bile ke tshaba le go bala dipampiri tsa botswana, i guess even RB2 ba bua ka lone every minute probably as part of the announcements!! People ga le batla tiro kwa ga goromente jaaka nna jaana include the word DISCIPLINE in your application letter and CV, dont forget to mention gore you are disciplined ko di interviews and they will surely be impressed! Nowadays we are diversifying the economy and eliminating poverty by instilling discipline on our people. Lord have mercy on this nation!!
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written by pwkeeme, November 20, 2008
PLEASE KE KOPA GORE KE SEKA KA TSEELWA DIKGATO TSE DI TSITSIBANYANG MMELE BECAUSE YOU FEEL IM INDISCIPLINE. ALL I KNOW DISCIPLINE YA SESOLE GA E KITA E TSHWANA LE YA KO LWAPENG LE YA KO SEKOLONG. KO SESOLENG GO A SALUTIWA TAKE PRESS UPS. AND THE FACT IS WITH RRE MOATLHODI.
KO SESOLENG O KGONA GO GATIWA KA RIFE MO MOLALENG TO DISCIPLINE YOU. AND IT WORKS. IN PRISON I THINK IS DIFFERENT UNLESS IS FILLED WITH Prisoners Of War (POW). SO WE DONT HAVE WAR CRIMINALS IN BOTS SO LET OUR MILITARY PRISON REMAIN EMPTY AND ITS JAIL GUARDS SLEEP, OR KEEP THEMSELVES BUSY WITH PRESS UPS. report abuse
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written by Segolame Dithong, November 20, 2008
At a time when we have someone who cares about the welfare of the nation thats when we feel threated, yes the was a soldier but have wrong has he done other than encourage the civil servce to wake up and batswana at large to try and protect the very demcracy that people are so afraid that it will be blown away. for a longtime we have been misusing democracy, we said what we wanted to say without even thinking how that might affect us as a nation and we got so used to it that we saw nothing wrong with it. democracy is good and it should be protected. as for honourable Moatlhodi his recall from the party has been long over due, he got himself to blame not the central committee. its not the president who recalled Moathodi but the central committee so please address the central committee. this so called soldiers are no threat to us or our democracy, but we are a threat to them and our democracy.
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written by pwkeeme, November 20, 2008
REMEMBER ZIMBABWE BELIEVES IN DEMOCRACY AND DECIPLINE TOO, BUT THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY WITHOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH, ONEDAY GAZETTE WILL BE BANNED 4 US HAVING THIS FREEDOM TO COMMENT CAUSE ON RB1 IS NOT. WE DO THIS UNDER CLOSED ROOMS. IF YOU WERE TO VOTE IN TONOTA WHO WILL YOU VOTE AFTER YOU SEND RRE MOATLHODI TO REPRESENT YOU.-
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written by Roo La Tau, November 20, 2008
Ke dumela gore bangwe ba lona ba akgela fela ka gore go a akgelwa.Segolame,tlhotlhomisa dikgang tse go ya pele.O bale makwala dikgang aa fa moragonyana gongwe o tlaa tlhaloganya gore go buiwa ka ga eng.How many countries in Africa have been suceessful under military rule.?se re lekang go se bua fa ke gore the understanding of the concepts between the civilians and the former or military personnel is different.The discipline e ba e raang ga se e wena o e raang kgotsa e dikgosi di buang ka yone.Ga military ke COERCION...you have no choice..
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written by pwkeeme, November 20, 2008
Roo la tau thats correct, and people need to be well informed, i realy thank God because at lease some Dikgosi jaaka kgosi Kgosi Kgafela and Tawana went to school and did LAW, so they didnt want to lead their MORAFHE with just " bogosi bo a tsalelwa". someone cannot be born a leader and taken to lead PRISONS from amy, or more painfully to lead the whole nation with only amy QUALIFICATIONS. In amy as a Leader you have to be feared, but no re ne re sa boihe Former presidents so let us free. Which means it can be possible to take a captain from amy to be a school head at Macha Senior cause they luck " discipline". what is in a mind of a true soldier who lead the amy since his childhood can change when it comes to politics because all he know is FORCE
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written by Meshack Machete, November 20, 2008
It comes as no surprise that government media outlets like RB1 are used as instruments of propaganda. when i was a little boy, under the leadership of Sir Ketumile Quet Johnny Masire, listening to RB1 was enjoyable. Maybe i was naive, but at the time nobody felt threatened like we do today. RB 1 used to be the station at the heart of the nation, now it is the station at the heart of the government. It started with Rre Sebetela cancelling masaasele because he felt insulted while driving his kids to school. I mean seriously, shouldnt politicians be under scrutiny from the very public that elected them to office? Since that incident, we have seen a deliberate censorship of state media by every minister of communications.. BTV as well, it is laughable to watch the so called political programs. There is no debate, the moderators are there to simply make sure the invited guests share the same views and no drama. When the original debate between honorable Saleshando and MMa Nasha was edited, i knew we were going down the cliff.The state media continues to run programs that question not the current administration.
My generation today grew up knowing the current president. He has been a household name ever since i can remember. The urban legends that went around, and boys (toddlers and teenagers) wanted to be like him. Most of us in primary school wanted to be soldiers whever we were asked what we wanted to be. I remember how during the gulf war of the early 90's a story came out of Lt General Sir Seretse Khama Ian Khama flyin a plane right into Saddam's compound to give him a direct warning.. Now looking back, this story, as well many others, makes me laugh. At the same time i realised how my generation was getting brainwashed by this legends about the president. We were actually getting brainwashed for this day when the fearful general assumes power. Somebody said Absolute power corrupts, and indeed it is clear. I would like the president to take questions from people, participate in parliamentary sessions and to stop giving directives as he's done. Bagaetsho we love this country, that is why we voice our concerns. When you criticize it is because you love and know that there can be improvements. Those who may see some of us as un patriotic or harsh, it is because they bought into the current administrations propaganda. History knows what happens when the current trends in our politics continue unquestioned. What is expected of us really? To shut up and assume that everything is well? Many of us today, under the Lt General Seretse Khama Ian Khama's leadership are scared to question the government for fear of discipline. Losing our jobs, or even threats from the security bouncers and soldiers roaming our streets with guns. My faith in Botswana, has not yet been vindicated. report abuse
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written by Semelane Sebelane, November 20, 2008
With the way our current pesident is running this country we are surely heading for doomsday!!no men with no child of his own can speak of disciline or try to impose it on me!!!he talks of discpline beacuse he must have had lack of it himself. As a youth we need to take up arms & stand for our rights before it gets 2 late because he is trying to run this coutry like a creche!!He needs help coz I think he somehow missed his childhood including his youth!!!
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written by Moratakagiso, November 20, 2008
..i want to be as simply as possible just as Rre Moatlhodi, ar we suggesting that no civillian is capable of instilling discipline or else i don't know the meaning of discipline... where is our nation heading... owaiii as youth lo re kobile in politics unless our education does not serve its purpose... nd o kare civil service is an old age home for retirement....that is why nurses are flying abroad they don't want to attend patients ba supilwe ka gunns..ijoh
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written by plasa, November 20, 2008
The only thing that is left in Zimbabwe beside hungry people is the name Zimbabwe (which is still correctly spelt)As for Botswana ;the only thing that is left of its democracy beside terified civlians is the WORD DEMOCRACY(which is still correctly spelt)As for its principles;they were done with the moment hte GENERALS took control of the STATE HOUSE;buy theway it is no longer called the stateHouse;i hear it should be called The Presidential Enclave.Bagaetsho ga re atsoga! Even Baraka Obama who is new to OFFICE has a board of advicers on governance .A GOOD LEADER DOESNOT DECTATE TERMS ON PPLE ;HE CONSULTS.I right in this column under a makeshift name knowing that should i be knwn then hell will be my destiny.MR MFA LONG PROPHESIED THAT WE MAKE H......WHILE THE SUN SHINTH FOR THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN FREEDOM OF SPEECH WILL BE A TABOO.Hei ke mathata.When people can be silenced jaaka ko Zimbabwe pharologanyo ya teng ke eng.KE BOAMAARURI MONGWE O JA BOSWA . LE RE SENYETSA PARTY BO GENERAL.LE GONE TOGELANG GOIPITSA KA DI TITTLE TSA SESOLE LERILE LEBOTOGETSE OH OH!
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written by kgonkgonyane, November 20, 2008
"kgosi thotobolo e olela matlakala "but with us it is different eish! Batswana recall that the man never had a chance to run a family of his own so the gentleman is bored all he can think of is to play Father figure to all of us which is impossible.Bo Commrade Kedikilwe and company ba mo gatisa legala and they are celebrating because thats what they antincipated(FAlLURE to run the country).after all the gentleman was the first person to fail from Maruapula so o bitter and he is still to complete in Waterford in Swaziland.The formal school he was able to attend to ke military school but legone gore o pasitse jang ga ke itse so am not surprised gore he is already Failing Batswana.
So RRE PONO MOATLHODI ke escape goat for faling Batswana, the advise to Moatlhodi ke gore nna mokoko rra, otla fenya ko palamenteng o emetse di keletso tsa Batswana.Government e mo pusong really needs discipline not Batswana as they bone bae bua barata party.Bo rra tlogelang bo latswa thipa and do your job by advising the president gatwe "bothale jwa phala botswa phalaneng" lo itse ha se sale se padile sekole. report abuse
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written by Bova Mate, November 20, 2008
The only people who are out of touch are us Botswana . First why do we go into the voting Both.Maybe a number of us will know, but for the rest is to vote for BDP. Kana ke pathi ya ga seretse. Well that says it all. Our out of touch votes sure brings us the out of touch leader.
I relate to my country better than ian khama becouse unlike him i know how it is like to go to school bare footed, i know how it is like to sleep without food only water. i know how it is like to get new clothes only once a year christmas time if i am lucky . well in short i know the hardships that my ordinary country man are subjected to. Therefore i dont know any kind of discipline in the world that can create jobs, that can cure diseases that can offer housing to ordinary people like me and you in our country. all this are not visible to ian becouse he was born with a diamond spoon. I donot agree with everything that Pono has said in the past , but i really understand from which point of view he was stating a lot of his queries. it is a pity that more than 40% of the population of Batswana are more concerned with the act of finding food and shelter rather than the mere politics that could see to the better politics and thus a rise in the economy. It is a great stuggle in Botswana to get yourself from the poor to the middle income class . it is not only dertemined by chance but by where you are growing up. these are the main problems we are faced with in our country rather than Khama being concerned with sorrounding himself with bootlikers. we are suppose to be worried about bringng opprtunity to all people in the country.not to those who will not oppose us othrewise we will foever be devided. As a former soldier myself i understand why a lot of Batswana have resevertions with this issue of soldiers in the cabinet and other departments. millitary pessonels dont see the country as mere people do. all they see is rank. they belive people at the very botom of the system are there for the intrest of those at the top . both these guys Ian khama and Meraphe had no regard for thier juniors during thier time in the army. they have at times said solders are dispensarble they can be discarded at the time of need since you could alwyas hire more. That satement alone says a lot about an individual. Khama feels the same about the country . Pono is one significant example. He knows he will always win tonota with or without Pono. The votes are silent we dont know why we are voting. report abuse
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written by pwkeeme, November 20, 2008
I REGISTERED 4 ELECTIONS BUT AFTER THIS SITUATION I FEEL THERE IS NO POINT FOR MY VOTING BECAUSE
1)MY MP CAN AFTERWARDS BE REPLACED WITH THE DESIRE OF THE PRESIDENT, 2) IT CAN END UP LIKE AT ZIMBABWE, WHERE AFTER RULING PARTY LOST CAN USE STUBBORNNESS AND REMAIN IN POWER IT PROVED THAT OUR SAY IS OF NO VALUE THE LEADER CAN CHANGE REGULATIONS AS HE PLEASE WHETHER PEOPLE WILL ACCEPT IT OR NOT 3)THE PRESIDENT CAN BE SOMEONE NOT VOTED BY PEOPLE report abuse
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written by Nkadzi, November 20, 2008
pwkeeme and Bova Mate, i wonder whether there has ever been a reason to vote in Botswana; Bova, we are so sorry you went to school barefooted, some of us didnt and we hear and feel your pain; but i think what Ian is doing is a great, he wants accountability, he wants to shape and shake up the system, if it means bringing in the army, then so be it, as long as there are no guns, i am okay with it. we batswana need to wake up and embrace the protestant ethic and work hard for our country, if we dont want Ian in power, then lets vote in the opposition, but oh my, we dont have a strong opposition, we only have indisicipline men in the oppisition, yes there is no democracy without discipline, i like that...
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written by Ratsie, November 20, 2008
I understand the worry that everybody has with militarization and it does make sense. While I am not for militarization, I would like to remind people that BDF is one of the institutions which has really provided many people with tertiary and postgrad training. From combatants to officers, managers and doctors and so forth. Being one of the largest employers, many retirees may find opportunity in civilian jobs. Now I don't know what criteria was used to pick these guys, but I am just saying bear that in mind.
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written by Bova Mate, November 20, 2008
Nkadzi Its not all about you, Its about Batswana that are living below the poverty datum line. whom unlike you worried about luxury thiers is a fight for sirvival day in and day out. So know that botswana does not revolve around you and your kind. there is still a lot of work to be done here .
What i fail to understand is how one can actually instill discipline in a democratic country. Discipline is used to put reignhs on individuals in the force inorder to be able to control them . what people seem to fail to understand is that the military is subjected to other rules that we as civilians sre not binded to adhere to . the military is a little world of its own. Well in short once you join the millitary you are stripped off your rights as a citizen . That is why it is offen discribed as the desciplined forces. And a lot of people are confussing freedom of speech with indiscipline . Like you did Nkadzi report abuse
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written by Kgano Taps, November 21, 2008
This is not all about Batswna's interest. You know, Batswana have this wishful dreams that THIS GUY has something to offer to the nation. THE GUY failed in countless resposibilities. Why cant they see that? Ga re sa buwa ka bojalwa gompieno. Ga re sa buwa ka Media. Re buwa ka corruption. Re buwa ka National Finiacial Mismanagement. Do you know that kwa Zimbabwe bana le $ZM 1MILLION note. Something like P100.00 note.
Whatever that is happening in Botswana will affect our economy. Re tsile go tshela jang fa e le gore you will need P1 MILLION go ya go reka borotho. Kana Batswana seems to think what is happenning next door can not happen to them. They think God loves them so much that they will always be protected from what is happening in Zimbabwe. They think that There should be something very strong called Opposition like SuperMan, se tla se fofa and lift them up. They like to live in their own WORLD OF DREAMS jaaka ditsenwa. Fa Botswana a tsena mo mathateng a Zimbabwe, ga se Opposition e tsileng go nna le mathata. Batswana should know that it is their responsibility to protect themselves, not something called "STRONG OPPOSITION". YOU ARE GOING TO FEEL IT TO THE EXTEND OF FORGETING THE SO CALLED, "... OPPOSITION IS WEAK....." It is no longer about Opposition. It is about you and fellow Batswana. Oposition did their part. They warned Batswana about THIS GUY but Batswana shoose to say, ".....There is no Opposition....." Anyway, what can one do now? BATSWANA ARE GOING TO ENJOY A VERY VERY GOOD RIDE TO HELL BIG TIME!!!! report abuse
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written by Meshack Machete, November 21, 2008
The ruling party are a bunch of washed up, out of touch bureaucrats. They run this country on wishful thoughts and are hell bent on taking this country to the pits. Our days of democracy are gone, mmualebe o bua la gagwe. We can only see them in the review. What shocks me is that a lot of people seem comfortable with the idea that somehow Batswana need discipline. Can somebody tell me why the majority of such are not citizens, they live here and yet detest us to that degree. If people couldnt fix their countries what makes them think they can fix Botswana. Besides who said we need a fix? if we were not so disciplined we would have sliced each other with machetes like they do in some parts of the African continent. We would have had coup after coup due to our mineral wealth, but wait we still do right? I am so sick of it, we have lots of right wing nuts who are on a witch hunt and a scape goating crusade. The problems in Botswana, as so many see them, can not be boxed in one word, "indiscipline." Lt general Sir Seretse Khama ian Khama (i write this name in full to show my discipline and patriotism) needs to stop micro-managing everyone. As it is we're stuck with him for how ever long he wants. I do not know, rather i do not trust that he will give power to anyone...
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written by ojm, November 21, 2008
Does Khama care about Botswana ????? I think so ...
Does he have the country's best interests at heart????? I think so ........ Does he know how so solve the problems we have????? Absolutely NOT!!!! There's a reason politics exist. They are incredibly redundant. A single subject can take a long time to close. Exhaustive as the process is, it gives everyone involved a wide pool of ideas helping them make very educated decisions. That is what defines democracy. The ability for anyone to say anything to anyone. Once you silence the voices of opposition you're only left with tyranny and dictatorship. I would suggest Khama look around Africa. He'll see that in every place with internal disputes, the disputes started with one person thinking he can make decision for everyone and that his decisions are always right. I implore him to take a step back and take a careful look at what he's doing to this country. I ask him to stop listening to people who agree with him and listen to those who don't. I love this country. I'd like very much for it not to become the next victim of what seems to be a black man's inability to rule himself. report abuse
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written by Lim, November 21, 2008
Now, i think back, i think this guy wanted to overthrow past presidents thats why he was brought in under the BDP ticket, and o tsamaisa BDP jaaka leburu le foroma badisa, gare kake ra lebella Botswana a senyega hela jaana in the name of disclipline
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written by Meshack Machete, November 21, 2008
The drama surrounding Moatlhodi has exploded and now affecting his family.. Families should be places of peace, comfort and tranquility. I couldnt believe my eyes when i saw pictures of him weeping at one of the many meetings by the BDP's "disciplinary" commitee. An honorable mp reduced to tears by the party he's served for decades,really? Apparently his uncle,a known BNF activist attended the meeting to show support to his nephew.The man got kicked out despite his relations with Moatlhodi. Has the BDP central "disciplinary" commitee degenerated to that level? family relations are an intergral part of our society. It used to be that our norms and values transcended party affiliations. What we need is by-partisanship,buliding the nation together. I commend Moatlhodi's uncle and his constituency, who showed his nephew support in his time of great need.
In the light of that, i think it is in Rre Moatlhodi's constituency for him to continue representing their interest in parliament. Rraetsho consider running as an independent. This probably will be a wake up call to the BDP and other political parties. If Rre Moatlhodi runs as an independent the electoral map can change for better. report abuse
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written by Kgano Taps, November 21, 2008
How does "bokoko" ba ga Pono Moatlhodi help Batswana from THIS GUY. Batswana, get serious and come up with something that can work!!! Something like calling our Parliamentarians to talk and if not to tell them that, "...ba jele kgano ba molaetse...." Something like joining hands with Parties like BCP and mobilise the public especially banana to go and register to remove THIS GUY.
Le tlogele gore lona ga le tlhophe le bakisa Ian, le ngadile, Ga gona Opposition. Ke lona Opposition ya ga Ian, ga ke itse gore fa le re ga leyo, le le teng le raya jang. Opposition go tewa motho yo yo farologanang le babusi ka meono. If we can join hands everywhere we are, ra buwa le ba ga rona le ditsala, possibly it is not too late to make a difference even though I doubt it. I doubt whether they will be any Elections next year. report abuse
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written by Meshack Machete, November 21, 2008
Taps moatlhodi's outrageous situation has brought controversy and shed some light to what the BDP is becomin. This to me it is beginnin to shake up even his constituency, who by the way vote BDP. Now as you may well know, more than 70% of the lectorate vote BDP in every election since 1966. If Moatlhodi runs as an independent, which by the way he has mentioned, the otherwise conservative electorate will shake up. I totally agree with you on the issue of mobilising young people to vote, but do not throw people's misgivings about opposition parties out the window. Those concerns are ligitimate. I am not goin to get into the opposition politics, but yes, BCP has shown mature and intellectual steadiness when it comes to any issue of national interest. It is becoming the voice of the silent and unheard, an alternative and in my view the future party in power. The BCP should continue their work abroad, expose this administration, debate issues at the heart of the people. Just a few things that made me realise the BCP is a party to recogn with;
1. They advocated for the increase in old age pension at the time BDP MP's wanted a raise. This 2. Took the lame duck president to task on his party's use of public funds for partisan reasons 3. Questioned Lt Gnrl Sir Seretse Khama Ian Khama's use of air force transport. To show how thick our then VP is, his response was, " they are jealous of me bcoz they cant fly a helicopter." seriously? We used to engage like that in kindergarden, not in politics. 4. The BCP took the sleepy Ombudsman to task for not reprimanding the VP at the time. No response since then. 5. The BCP continues to question and advocate. It is the party of the times and in touch with people. No other political party has expanded their membership in a short period like BCP. Their slogan " Botswana can be better" resonates well with the electorate. It is not only optimistic but does not deny that we're are better, in a way acknowledges our achievements and but looks to the future. This to me is reason enough to vote for the BCP. They are real democrats with a more centrist approach , while the BDP has been reduced to a far leftist power-mongering party. report abuse
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written by Kgano Taps, November 21, 2008
Ok, ke dumela gore Moupo is a failure and BNF doesn't have quality leadership but why Batswana ba dumela gore BDP ena le Quality leaderships. Besides Ian, lets count them: Merafe le masole a mangwe, Nkate, Kedikilwe, Kwelagobe, Moroka, Tshireletso, Moyo, Mmabananyana Venson le ba bangwe ba ba sa itsegeng. Bontsi bo tshofetse, above 65yrs.
How is these Guys different from: Dumelang, Lucas, Modubule, Bayford, Setshwaeleo, Motsei Rapelana, Vain Mamela, Dr Gobotswang, Dr Hobona, Gilson Saleshando, Nzwaligwa Nzwaligwa, Monowe le ba bangwe. Fa motho a kgona go nna President without any academic qualification, why Batswana believe gore UB lecture can not run the government? Ke se ipato fela. That is why I beleive Batswana are gonig to learn the hard way and they should. If they are not part of Opposition, that will mean they didn't want anything to do with Opposition. Keng fa go nna maswe, motho a bo a sa tlhabiwe ke ditlhong gore ".....I BLAME THE OPPOSITION....." O ne a akanya gore yone Opposition e, e ya go tseya kae batho fa a ne a sa e batle, kwa Zimbabwe! Batswana do not like to listen and they are very good when it comes to blame. Le yone BNF e e kgaetseng, it was the BNF membership who didn't want to take resposibility for what they want. Look at BCP membership. Erile ba bona gore Koosaletse ga a tswe sepe, ba bo ba montsha ba beela fale gore yo mongwe a tsene. They took their responsibility. The same thing should happen ka Batswana. If Batswana can decide to adopt BNF membership mentality, I'm telling you what happened in BNF will happen to Botswana. Ke gore batswana ba batla go tsaya Ian jaaka e kete ke Rraabone. Kana rrago le fa a ka hema, ke ntse ke rrago. Ebile go tlhabisa ditlhong go akanya gore Rrago o hemile and you rather blame something else. You can even blame Baloi ba ga saatane o re ke bone ba mo dirileng. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS A WAKE UP CALL NOT TO OPPOSITION BUT TO BATSWANA. IT IS TIME FOR BATSWANA TO SHOW CHARACTER AND MATURITY TO SAY 'NO'. IT IS NOT UPTO OPPOSITION TO SHOW MATURITY FOR THE SAKE OF IRRESPONSIBLE AND IMMATURE BATSWANA. Le yone Opposition need manpower to help. If not, Batswana ba akanya gore e ya go tsaya kae manpower. Ba tsene dikolo gore ba kgone go akanya botoka go feta motho yo o sa tsenang sekolo mme a batla go ba kgerisa jaaka mosimane wa moraka. report abuse
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written by Slayve, November 21, 2008
Kgang yaga Pono Moatlhodi e utlwisa botlhoko ele ruri. Okay, Im not better placed to talk about Pono's indiscipline as suggested the BDP central committe. They (the BDP central committe) know better here. Nna I am of the view that a ikemele ka nosi if ba gana go mo tsaya back in the BDP. If he is debarred from campaignin and standing for elections under the BDP ticket and he contest as an independent, this will show whether we vote for party or motho le bokgoni/kelello ya gagwe.
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written by Phantsha, November 22, 2008
Guys, re jetse mo lesweng....thinking aloud, what would happen to me or you if we used official cars to transport cow feed to our cattle posts or seeds to our masimos? I am sure we will become 'vulture' or something like that. Guys, these people are not even retired army brats, but they are just moved with their uniform ON and Badges on their shoulders and chests to run civilian entities! This is so ridiculous..All this under the name Discipline!! Discipline to power on infinity my ...... What is happening to Rre Moatlhodi is just a tip of the ice burg.. Soon people will be dissapearing, some dying under mysterious circumstances...
Remember the case ya ko Bank of Botswana where governors personal budget was falsified? Yet it is all quite?
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written by Montshiwa, November 22, 2008
I agree, "there is no democracy without descipline". The problem is who is doing the desciplining on who. I think Khama said these words thinking he will be the one desciplining everyone while he himself goes on a rampage of unbridled power. I think it is already clear the person who really needs descipline is Khama. The way to descipline a politician who ejoys the status of being above the law like Khama is to vote out his party in the next election.
For Khama to be known as the son who brought his father's party to its first electoral defeat will be a good descipline, that will recall him from this dive into an abyss of uncontrolled and unaccontable power. Now On Moatlhodi's recall, I think Moatlhodi should not apologise for anything. He was simply doing his job as an MP, speaking on behalf of batho ba Tonota. If Khama has a problem, he should not be punishing the messenger. He should go Ko Tonota and spew his rage on them. Moatlhodi is simply a faithful messenger who is truly the voice of his electorate, and not a pawn of the BDP's dictatorial build up. Moatlhodi, you are our true hero! report abuse
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written by moakofi, November 22, 2008
@montshiwa
what you are saying is realy true.i wish we batswana can join hands and show THIS GUY that what he is doing is not for the will of we batswana at large.we are not his sons nor daughters that he have to impose anything and everything on us as and when he wishes with impunity. he is busy trying to run botswana like his own home/house.lets vote this guy out and he will have more time to run his family back in serowe. its been less than a year and we are already very tired of you sir. oa re lapisa maan! report abuse
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written by moakofi, November 22, 2008
@montshiwa
what you are saying is realy true.i wish we batswana can join hands and show THIS GUY that what he is doing is not for the will of we batswana at large.we are not his sons nor daughters that he have to impose anything and everything on us as and when he wishes with impunity. he is busy trying to run botswana like his own home/house.lets vote this guy out and he will have more time to run his family back in serowe. its been less than a year and we are already very tired of you sir. oa re lapisa maan! people lets come together and speak with one voice, one loud voice which says well aloud that we are tired! a voice which will echo in parliament and in the state house and spread to the rest of the our beloved country. report abuse
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written by Simo, November 22, 2008
Atleast we still have the people and individuals who have courage to challenge and raise their views about the way in which our State Resources and Institutions are being used by our highly trusted leaders. It such a shame if our continent is subjected into this situations, this is just a clear indication that we have not yet realesed from the shakles of Mugabe and Kabila regimes. I think this is our time as youth of this continent to start defending the future of our continent
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written by Kgano Taps, November 22, 2008
THIS GUY is a Communist. I have commented in another article on "Batswana views on Moatlhodi's recall" about the principles of communism.
The principles that he is trying to use now was used by The Chinese Communist Party in 1938 when they declared national war as quoted from Mao Tse tung. This are hard core Communist. The main principle is that the entire membership of the organisation is subordinate to the Central Committee. RE BATLHANKA BA GA THIS GUY, MERAFE, NKATE LE BABANGWE. Ke sone sekomanisi tota sa megopolo ya bogologolo ya bo Mao Tse tung. report abuse
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written by bali, November 23, 2008
Have you asked yourself why Ian said Merafhe will only be VP for one term and will not be his successor? The reason is that he is saving the spot for his brother who took over from him when he left Serowe. If the brother becomes VP then he becomes our next President. Batswana Prof Good was right. I better not say much because I am afraid! I might be labelled a Motswana who lacks D.. Peace!
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written by Wise Man, November 23, 2008
Ga se gone fela bali. His close relative kana gatwe ngwana wa ga monnawe or something like that o ile sekolong sa bosole exactly ko a neng a teng and guess what, fa a tswa koo o tlile go diriwa general wa BDF. Nna corruption e diriwang mo botswana e setse e ntsene mo mading waitse. Thats the only reason why baa kobile motswaledi from serowe ko neng a batla go contesta teng but BDP e be e gane reserving the seat for Ians brother coz there was no guarantee that he could win go sele ntle le ko serowe. The problem why this is happening is simply because the Seretse family think this country ke ya bone and just because motlotlegi moswi Sir Seretse Khama was asked to marry lekgoa for us to have indepence so ba tsaya gore Botswana o ka tswa a ba kolota. What am saying ke gore we dont know the details of the agreements tsa bone koo, maybe what they are doing is part of the agreement, we dont know. Mo go bone boora Khama ke baja boswa jwa lefatshe leno just like bogoi e le boswa. If anathor party e ka winner i dont think there will be a smooth transition as most of you do coz i guess that could be part of the reason why they are busy militirizing the government, selo se se dirileng gore rre moatlhodi a kobiwe. If it wasnt a threat nko ba mo arabile ka bokhutshwane and botshelo e bo bo tshwelela pela. They didnt coz at the moment ga ba ba seipato se se good, remember what happenned when the 70% levy on alcohol was introduced, it was a personal thing when the president announced that only when the nation responded e be e dirwa kgang ya puso and it took them some time to find reasons to justify their move. Ian himself said "I AM GOING TO INCREASE TLHWATLHWA YA BOJALWA KA 70%-AKERE LA NKUTLWA, MME FA LE KA TSHWELELA KA GO NWA BOJALWA KE YA GO OKETSA KA ANOTHER 70%- AKERE LA NKUTLWA..." I know am going to serve a life imprisonment for this comment but its how i see thing. They should understand gore ga re bone dilo ka go tshwana and shouldnt think of imprisoning me, thats why go na le ba rwalang digalase coz fa ba bonele kgakala..., if u know what i mean!
NKGANETSENG FA KE LE MAKA,ESPECIALLY ON THE ALCOHOL ISSUE, TSE DINGWE LE KA TSWA LE SA DI BONE BUT ITS BOUND TO HAPPEN.. report abuse
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written by TshephoMO, November 24, 2008
ga twe re siele ko go mang tota???
i mean opposition le yone e ne le tsa yone dikgang...!eish report abuse
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written by Popizie, November 24, 2008
It is interesting to see just how people who's fathers were once presidents tend to do a miserable job in the same position. I'm thinking of the likes of George Bush and Ian Khama. Bush was the worst president to occupy the top post in recent memory and the current state of the US economy testifies to that. I think in due time if Batswana decide to give bo Ian and his malope an undeserving chance in next years elections we are in for the same downfall as the amercans. Being a president calls for being able to listen to other voices , wisdom and an above level of intelligence among other things. Its obvious that the current head of state lacks all these traits. We have bigger problems to worry about than so called Indiscipline, alcohol consumption , traffic offences , shutting down clubs early and other insignficant matters. We need to focus on rising inflation , unemployment , poverty ,education, the AIDS pandemic & growing and diversifying our economy to become a powerhouse in the SADC region and beyond. For this we need a leader who is compentent and qualified to tackle these issues, not someone who inherited the position because his father was the first president and a great leader. We are still to know just what exactly his excellency did in school and how far he progressed or just how many "F"s he had on his transcript.All we know is that he can read and write english and he can fly a helicopter. I blame the ex-president for imposing this person among Batswana. Truely he sold us out and those that have been loyal servants of the BDP for many years before the army man was sneaked into parliament ka backdoor as the VP. During his VP days, it was predictable what kind of Head he would be. He rarely ever attended parliament, shyed away from debate of any kind and hated the media for fear that he would be exposed for his deficiences. He isolated himself such that no one can say they truely know him (Except maybe for his buddies from the army and lebone ba mo tshaba jus like Lefesto did).
Going back to the matter at hand which is "discipline" .I think this word is being used as a source of fear. In this sense discipline means conforming to what the top man wants or expects. It means not thinking independently for ones self. It means saying "yes sir" even when you disagree. It means being fired or recalled if you ask difficult questions. It means never ever drinking alchohol in your life. I call on those in positions in the BDP to advise his exellency & and to stop acting like lame ducks or pawns on a chess board. Unlike Mr Ian ,they have been voted into power by their constituents and we expect them to represent us. If not ,we shall dispose of them too. We need to have a free cabinet and parliament not a forum where annoucements and threats are made by the leadership. Just look at what happened to Ntuane le Rre Moatlhodi.Im sure they will never speak their minds again. They have been silenced. It is only us, the electorate who can rectify Rre Lefesto's mistake. Lets vote out those who want to hijack our democracy and our rights next year election time. If not Botswana will be one of the least attractive countries in the world to live in like Zimbabwe has become. Gongwe le gone re tla be re siela kwa ga Mugabe! report abuse
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written by pwkeeme, November 24, 2008 LEHATSHE HATOGA KE TSENE, JUST IMAGINING AFTER ELECTION OPPOSITION PARTY E HENTSE, RE TLA BO RE TSHUBELWA MATLO GOTWE WE ARE NOT DISCIPLINED TO VOTE AGAINST PARTY YA GA SERETSE... report abuse
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written by Nutty Chilume, November 24, 2008
H. E a dire a part-time Degree ko U.B...he'll come off a better man. Nxu struu...he is lack of sophistication (which is evident in his policy approaches/methods) is unsuitable for any one thats president. You cant lead by ego and pride alone, you need something more concrete from your trick bag; gore ere batho fa ba bua dio tse di ntsi a bo o bapalama jaaka Le_Festo; Like tell them you are Republican to their face, or tell them how some English word is pronounced. You need to be a little uppity (for assertiveness purposes) when you are president; almost like Mugabe, without his jerk-ery on everything else. I mean listen to Bob bashing Bush & Blair on Academic issues like Racism, Imperialism and so on; no one ever says what he is saying is not true or fundamentally flawed;instead he is being carricatured for being a nut case because he is fixated on some truth. Mathata a ga Bob hela ke gore he's failed to move on after the painful abuse ya colonialism, not that he is not a smart guy. But H.E cant even field a press-conference, he instead flees to the ordinary man in Mogojogojwe who views him as God anyway, but wont ask him about things like economic strategies now that Uncle Sam has sneezed a flu called RESESSION, which the ordinary man will catch without knowing, and without the president reassuring his people go e ne hela one man faa bona go tlaa fella kae; mme H.E o tshaba go ikgolega ka gore he only has the scantiest of interest in this and other subjects which are great concerns for statesmen.
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written by skhehla, November 24, 2008
Go a nametsa go bona batswana ba jaanong ba supa maikutlo a bone.A re tsweleleng re lwantsheng MOKALOBA.
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written by Meshack Machete, November 25, 2008
in fact i do not know what Lt Gnrl Sir Seretse Khama Ian Khama( say the name in full and all the titles to show discipline) stands for; His economic policy, his political philosohphy. Those are the things he's failed to convey to the people of botswana. It quiet evident why he'd rather hangout ko merakeng with bo ol lady le di thaema. It is not say that our elders arent educated, but for the most part old age is nostalgic and would rather comform than change. I do not understand why anyone would implement such hush taxes on a drink? If we were to get into Lt Gnrl Sir Seretse Khama Ian Khama's psyc, maybe we would have a better understanding why he's terrified of alcohol.. but thats besides the point, his policies are only a diversion from the real issues... Education, Economy, jobs, improving our international ratings.. just last week we dropped by more than 10 points on gender equality. Lesotho is way better than us on education. Namibia was credited for steadiness when it comes to the issues... all of this countries, have been helped by botswana one way or another. We're rapidly digressing and losing our international reputation as it is. Somebody may say it doesnt matter, but hey, we're not the only ones watchin. This guy's tendency to give out orders and decrees is taking us to the pits.
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written by immortal, November 25, 2008
you sure are illiterate le bolope bo le mo teng kana le gale o bata tiro,kana e fofa ka moswang.from wat i cn guez of ur name z that ure a woman n i wonder wat kind
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written by Banyana, November 25, 2008
Bagaetsh i feel the need to add my two cents but before that i hope that lotlhe le ikwadiseditse go tlhopha because that's the only place where we can change things. No disrespect but H. E. has really lost the plot. This is what you get when you put someone who has been privilaged all his life into a position of power. The problem with HE is that he is reactive rather than being pro active and the people he has surrounded himself with are not helping the situation; akere ke masole le malope so they can't go against HE which spells doom for our country. He doesn't think things through as we are all taught ko University ka casual effects and that every action e na le reaction and it's up to you to anticipate the reaction and mitigate. Lack of such thinking at the highest office in the land doesn't bode well for us...what is going to happen to our economic policies, education, health? Gompieno education is a mess thanks to Nkate and yet he keeps his job, how is anyones guess. What are we going to do with the 1000s of worthless completers(i can't even get myslef to call them graduates)? And all this emanated from HE abolishing TS without thinking of any mitigation measures whatsoever. And we all know that if you mess with the education system of a country you are ineveiatbly killing it, not that i expect HE to know anything about this!
Nna ke a tshoga batho ba modimo, ke tshoga fela thata when i look at where we are going so lona ba lo sa ikwadisang kopang go ikwadisa gape please. Our vote will be our voice le fa opposition e le such a let down but i believe gore there are some capable people mo opposition. Lets not just think Moupo but look deeper. Can someone advise the opposition ka our dilemma so they get their house in order! Lastly a re rapeleng for a brighter future report abuse
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written by Kgano Taps, November 26, 2008
Tla ke go tlatse. NNA KE NNILE MONGWE WA BATHO BA NTLHA GO IKWADISA. Ke ne ke akanya gore re simolole slogan sa lekwala dikgang le, re se bitse ......'KE IKWADISITSE, WENA O IKWADISA LENG?'....
There are some good guys mo BNF le mo BDP. Mathata ke gore when the leader is like Moupo or THIS ONE, it will seems as if the whole organisation is a mess. Ke ne ke eletsa gore kwa BNF e leng ntsi teng, ebile e beile a good guy, ga re e tlhopheng. Kwa BCP e leng ntsi teng, ga re e tlhopheng. A re direng gore dipalo tsa THIS ONE, di tlhaele. It is unfortunate that when you vote a "BDP good guy", technically o tla bo o re ke itumelela Puso ya ga THIS ONE. Its a pity that it is a must to scacrifice Ntuane even if he is a good guy for the sake of removing THIS ONE. That is why ba sa batle gore The President e tlhophiwe directly jaaka kwa ZIMBABWE. Ditautona tsa Botswana di iphitlha ka mapalamente to account to the public. Fa a ka bo a tlhophiwa, re ka bo re itebaganya le ene ka sebele, a arabela maleo a gagwe. Jaanong, fa bo Rakhudu ba a arabele gore ba tle ba itse go mmolelela gore go a fisa ba menne diphatla. report abuse
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